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RUNAWAY! RUNAWAYHAYHAYHAAAAAY!

Postby N0t_mINe » Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:36 pm

I know and agree that dabbling too heavily in the forum drama of others is rude and a poor choice of subject matter, but this was too much. TFN gets honorable mention if you can stick with this rather long sample. I won't comment on the actual subject matter either, It's too internal for me to understand the details. Still, this post was golden, a fine demonstration of why there should be a law preventing parents from paying their children's student loans off if there ever was one.


From Daedalus

Greetings.

Though directed primarily to the evil administrator, I deemed this issue of sufficient importance to place in Spare Parts as it is a matter which concerns the board and our people as a whole. While The Postmortem section of this lair might've seemed more appropriate, I felt this was a softer element which would be better suited to this section.

I know I have been fairly silent of late, but my burning gaze has remained transfixed on the Postmortem and its greater mission, but recent activity has forced my decaying hand, and though my function often demands that I be more prone to judgement and action than feeble hand wringing, the sensitivity of this issue requires an appeal rather than going in with guns blazing.

Let us begin, then.

I will speak here with a plainness which is necessary to amend the situation and bring to light all the issues while such is still permitted in this place.

It is completely unacceptable that Hendricks266 is able to dictate policy on this board. I will explain why, as there has been a dire error in judgement which we are now slowly beginning to see the consequences of. It will be my pleasure to illustrate, as is my function, what is occurring here and why things need to change immediately.

It was little over a year ago now that you will recall I reacted rather strongly to the 'sudden' promotion of Hendricks to the position of moderator due to his experience and board presence at the time. The reaction of the community ranged from nonchalance to unease, mainly due to the fact that while Hendricks had spent time on IRC, he had not represented himself abundantly on the board. After my reaction, Hendricks assured me that he respected me and it was claimed that Hendricks was here 'to help out' with the sudden influx of "fans" with Jason Hall's mighty appearance. Hendricks is in a different timezone, so this was a wise move.

Now it must be asked; what is Hendricks' moderation function now that it's been well over a year since Jace vanished from Posty? What role does he fill which is not performed by the powers that be now that his function is obsolete and/or complete?

I have stood by Hendricks' decisions in the past for the sake of solidarity even if I did not agree with them at times. I have no feeling of enmity towards him as we've yet to exchange anything on a personal level, but now that he has begun to deem it necessary to alter the EULA, he has gone beyond the pale; he has exceeded his standing and I cannot and will not sit idly by while an interloper sees it fit to shape this board in his image. Being silent during this time goes directly against my duty on this board.

The EULA is Posty's code of laws. It is our constitution, which wasn't crafted to control the userbase, but to honour and protect it. It was the closest translation that could be written to represent Posty's system of (mostly) self-governance. To modify it on a whim is a vile display of gross impertinence.

The Postmortem is not a static board devoted to Blood, but rather a decade of personal experience and interpersonal exchanges and growth in Blood's remaining, breathing community. This virtue is absolutely priceless, and that Hendricks has failed to attempt to grasp this after being here for a year shows that he is either unsuitable or unwilling to fulfill his function as servant, and instead dreams himself emperor. There is and has never strictly been a command structure in place. The 'three D's, as we are called, have acted with regards to giving it structure, internal security and I myself act as guardian and advocate, but we have never arbitrarily signed into law anything which inhibits user expression or activity within reason.

Nate touched on this quite effectively recently. He said that he has always seen us as 'part of the mob' and that policy here in general has always been 'rule of the brah'. This is very astute and correct. We are members and participants of this place first and foremost and its enforcers second, and even then only when it becomes absolutely necessary, with an example being the occasional user 'suicidal lunacy', a peculiar phenomenon here.

Hendricks has approached our userbase time and again with an 'us versus them' mentality. He has fought with Kurt and he has fought recently with Status Cruo. Can you name any user which any of the existing moderation is completely at odds with? I cannot fault Hendricks for his approach as that is indeed how moderation is handled on the vast majority of forums on the Internet, but this is The Postmortem, for Tchernobog's sake, and I can and will fault Hendricks for not attempting to grasp that things are not handled here how they are wherever it is he came from.

We must never, ever, no matter how popular the Postmortem were to become in a perfect world, forget our roots. The Postmortem is a funky, different bunch who praise Blood and defend it relentlessly despite whatever differences we might have, and we, the moderation, are as much a part of that as any member.

I respect that Hendricks might've been needed to help out with moderation in a turbulent time as I have said. I am glad that he has broad experience with Build and has helped the board financially and likely provided advice on certain software issues. I can also somewhat agree that an inexperienced hand can serve to attempt to enforce policy here, but a person who the majority of the userbase isn't even familiar with has no place telling people with up to a decade of participation how they can and cannot behave.

The bottom line for me is this; does Hendricks love Blood, and what is contextually more important -- does he love the Postmortem?

For I am not seeing it, are you?

As for the particular 'issue' which caused this "amendment" to the Postmortem, there is none. While it's possible that the exchange might've exploded into total violence and anarchy sometime during the night which I didn't check the thread, all which I beheld was a disagreement and lengthy debate. Status Cruo is painted as a pariah because of his choice of terminology, but as you can see, Kurt took it in his stride and made a joke out of it as is his way, Krypto laughed at him, Nate went in with sincere intent to try understand what Status Cruo was talking about and Dimebog challenged him on some issues. The later displeasure witnessed is purely because at its life essence, the Posty userbase doesn't enjoy an endless exchange in the bin between two members which run on for pages as history has proven. The userbase uses the board as an escape and place to relax, so this is understandable. At the end of the day all we want is to blow up rats with dynamite.

The motivation for the change is that 'the issue was discussed with BoN', that 'enemies may use it against us' and 'to preserve board image'.

The first is hilarious as it is foolish. That I even have to explain is absurd, but quite simply, BoN is a relentless contrarian who would oppose the inhalation of oxygen if it were tenable. That BoN enjoys Blood and its discussion is not in question, but you'd honestly probably have better results by asking BoneofFear for input on moderation decisions.

The Postmortem has enemies, that is certain, but frankly there is no authority which this useless, heathenous lot can appeal to. They are a pusillanimous mass of ineptitude, decrepitude and mental illness blessed with a talent for delusion and lying, and part of this board's legacy is its survival against such intrusions for many years. It is ridiculous to think that any person would be dissuaded by a single poster using politically incorrect terms in a thread titled the garbage bin in the general section on a site dedicated to Blood, and any person with such sensibilities and a shred of intellectual integrity would observe the Blood section instead, which, as the EULA dictates, is stricter than other board sections. See Section D, clause 7.

The third, while noble in intent, has no grounding in factual reality. There is no enormous mass standing at the floodgates waiting for the Postmortem to create social sensitivity policy before stepping through with open hands and bright smiles. Have we forgotten what this site is about? This is about Blood and its continued legacy! Blood is a disturbingly gory game with no respect for anything - not even itself! Hell, one of the early advertisements for the game shocked mothers in the United States due to being explicit. No, it is sheer foolishness to believe that we have to cater to moms and pops. It is a ridiculous idea which has absolutely no place here. Let's keep things in perspective -- we are an 'underground' video game site and are not running for political office.

There is great risk of a slippery slope here. Sure, we can begin by silencing Status Cruo. That may make Hendricks and BoN more comfortable, but what of the next person to offend Hendricks or some false perception of the board image, and what of the next? In the end users will be so tightly wound up that they won't be able to even argue or discuss anything sensitive at all, and Posty's got a long history of bizarre and sometimes disturbing topics. You are actively curtailing camaraderie and diminishing the board's ethos by instating policies which limit Posty members' communication. It is a violation of the spirit of the EULA section C point 3 and is self-defeating in the context of the Postmortem.

Until some time ago there was another Blood forum, for we were not unique in the strictest sense of the word in that, and things were seemingly good and the users thrived and prospered. Over time, however, decisions from those who set themselves above the community of the board began to isolate and disenfranchise the members. These impulsive measures and decisions placed stringent control on the people in an attempt to create a false sense of civility where one in fact already stood. The moderation was hopelessly out of touch with the needs of the individual as well as the greater community and this showed time and again through policies which eventually asphyxiated the members and which resulted in a destructive cascade which, by then, had already progressed too far.

That board, that Blood forum's name was Transfusion.

If you have not taken the time to read the above and seriously consider what I have written, I must implore that you put down the beast vision and consider with extreme caution the warning I am about to give. I do not give it lightly and though it may leave a feeling akin to consuming a delirium shroom, I am tasked with representing the feelings of the community, and so here I am.

Hendricks' continued participation in the present context; that which should be servant but instead acts as conqueror, will result in the fragmentation and possible destruction of this website's unity and vitality. A decade of work is being knowingly or unknowingly undermined, and a wedge is being driven between the userbase and moderation, and indeed within the moderation itself which did not exist prior. He has instated policy which, should such a trend stand and continue, will corrode the board's sincerity and effectively sterilize it of all its quirks and character, resulting in the termination of all we have strived to achieve.

It would be a gross error in judgement to assume that this is a personal gripe with Hendricks on my part, for I have not spoken with him and am attempting to give the benefit of the doubt and write this off to ignorance rather than malice, but were he to be a common user in the same position and without favour I would not hesitate for an instant to react strongly. However this naturally requires attention and consideration.

The board is already not only being separated from the moderation this way, but this issue of policy alone is already beginning to factionalize the community where before there was only unity. Just as Blood maps benefit from excellent connectivity from one to the next, so the Postmortem is strong because its elements act as a single unit.

Several members have approached me concerning this. I am not here to compromise and have written this to tell you that things cannot proceed as they currently are and that something needs to change at this point.

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Re: RUNAWAY! RUNAWAYHAYHAYHAAAAAY!

Postby Tchernobog » Sun Dec 22, 2013 01:44 am

What did I just read? :?

I am getting a little sick and tired of people claiming that I and the groups I associate with don't exist though. The Transfusion Forums has no need for a past tense description, and this is not the only example I have encountered of people negating my own existence for their own political gain. Seriously, if I were not as well centred as I am, I would be having a serious existential crisis here.

I would say that was in fact their intent if it were not for the fact that enough paranoia has already been displayed as a part of this already.

I have next to no vested interest in the main issue that the initial post was about, nor should I have since I have no part in it, but I do think some of the people there may need to step away from their keyboards for a little.

I will say one thing related to the subject being discussed though - the lack of decorum that some prominent Postmortem members have displayed in the past, as well as the general bullying they have enacted against those who have disagreed with them, is part of the reason why I have never personally bothered to get an account there.

Take that as you will.
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Postby N0t_mINe » Sun Dec 22, 2013 01:58 am

Oh wait, they're recruiting!

XD


http://www.gog.com/forum/blood_series/we_need_recruits_to_the_postmortem_blood_community_site


Sigh, I'm sorry it's like this folks. Inbreeding isn't just unhealthy in the world of genetics, but in the world of ideas as well.
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Postby Tchernobog » Wed Dec 25, 2013 01:05 am

This is getting sad, based on a quick glance through this thread:
http://forums.duke4.net/topic/7035-help ... ter-place/

Still, at least I now know what the original problem was - some asshole posting racist s***. :(

EDIT: I did not know the forums had a profanity filter. Still, I notice asshole is still fine. :lol:
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Postby N0t_mINe » Wed Dec 25, 2013 02:20 am

I didn't want to read further but wound up doing so thanks to boredom. Agreeing with someone who keeps an 'enemies' list was uncomfortable, yet when they have a point, they have a point. I don't know what software they use at posty, but sometimes the end user license agreement for the software itself has clauses against misuse. It's totally reasonable to play it on the safe side in the end.

Also, Posty has always been about spectacle, you have to keep it in mind that part of that was probably staged. Some of the in-fighting that went down looked unbelievably fake just before the thread was taken down and cleaned.

They do hit upon some serious issues that everyone must deal with all the same. I wouldn't want someone, say Jace H. for example, to feel uncomfortable just because a few idiots spouted off, yet freedom of expression is crucial.

eula all the way. 8)

It's not topical for this part of TFN but I do believe some of the comments from that thread have me pondering things existential. Time to make statements about what Transfusion is all about, at least in my opinion. :)


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Postby Tchernobog » Wed Dec 25, 2013 05:54 pm

Freedom of expression only applies so much though. Internet forums are in fact private spaces controlled and owned by the forum founders and the moderating team. If someone came to your house and started making racist/sexist/homophobic remarks, you would have the full right to force them to shut up and leave your premises. They can say or believe anything they want in their own home, or even in public where they will be judged, but you have full right to not have to listen to any of that anywhere that is controlled by you.

Because they are private entities the owners of a forum are also in fact bound to what is being said by those who use them, as with the power of ownership also comes a greater responsibility, and because of this you can and will be (understandably) judged if your property becomes a spout for unpleasantness, even if you yourself do not support the hateful drivel coming out of some of your member's mouths.

All of this is also besides the larger issue of what actually comes of a culture where such abuses are left unchecked. Posty may or may not be about spectacle, but I have seen other fan websites such as Ganymede and Titan for Red Dwarf that have a similar locker room mentality and yet do not manage to descend to some of the distressing levels I have seen from certain members of The Postmortem. The people on G&T are far more open to new-comers, do not have a huge problem with abuse, and certainly do not have members bullying or harassing people for holding different views (even though opinions can get quite heated in all the best traditions of fandom).

And Daedalus is wrong - there are many potential users who have been turned away from The Postmortem because of their lack of decorum. I have met some of them, and that thread I linked to is evidence that their are even more. You can not please everyone, but you can not just sit their and act like nothing bad has ever happened because of this.
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Postby I Live...AGAIN » Tue May 06, 2014 11:29 pm

Chiming in late on this because I've been swamped with school/work lately.

That forum is a joke and always has been. In the past I used to tease their members about dressing up in Caleb suits daily and it is not that far fetched. That long winded wall of text that was quoted is another example of the "we are better than any of you" attitude. They always claim that this forum is dead but in the last few months we get more posts than they do. That Hendricks guy seemed like the only normal one of the bunch and they made him out to be the bad guy.
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Postby Corbin » Sun May 25, 2014 11:24 pm

It's interesting that they let themselves become toxic rather than dealing with the contamination in the first place. I can only speak on behalf of my own experience at that place.

Blaming me for their lot of problems was the final straw. It's odd that they won't go onto Duke4 to defend themselves, yet [back then] followed me back to my native Doomworld and blasted us there for calling their forum how it was. "They" isn't a stab to them all, as the admins seem like decent people. It was them not controlling their user base that got out of hand. It's like, "oh yeah one of our members has AIDS and is going around having unprotected sex with others in the name of the club from whence they came, but that's fine if they get AIDS because at least they are spreading the word."

And think, that was a few years ago, when s*** really hit the fan.

On Duke4 I really wanted to give a send-off, but realized that the PM admins buried the hatchet. At least, I think they did. Daedalon is a member there and doesn't try to come at me (away from Postmortem he seems like a really cool guy) and Daedalus has always been friendly and honest. I just think Postmortem itself is sort of a cess-pit for behaviour like rascism and homophobia. I wish they would put the breaks on stuff like that.

Just nice to comment and vent about the situation all these years later.
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Postby N0t_mINe » Mon May 26, 2014 01:34 am

Looks like may have a new moderator in town, one that can alter quoted text to remove "Transfusion as enemy" which I quoted in the above to preserve, although how one does that without an edit tag popping up is beyond me.
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Postby Corbin » Mon May 26, 2014 04:41 am

I just literally realized what the first post of this thread was about. I only skimmed it and didn't read it fully (whoops).

Daedalus, or Matt, is a completely different person in private. It's in their..."tradition"...to take role-playing seriously, I think. I mean, we've been talking off and on for a long time. He's pretty decent when not under pressure from that..weird forum board...

Hendricks is a cool cat, though. He's just so out of place on that board.

Just really weird how they continue to push people out. I mean s***, at least Transfusion and its board have more to do with Blood than Posty does (Ask not for whom the main menu animates, or something like that). I can't believe they wanted to reverse the decision to ban the rascist guy. He said some deplorable s***. I mean, he's not the only one (I can name two, mark my words) but god damn. That just really doesn't look good for them.

If I was Jason I'd go running too...
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Postby N0t_mINe » Mon May 26, 2014 02:35 pm

Corbin wrote:Just really weird how they continue to push people out. I mean s***, at least Transfusion and its board have more to do with Blood than Posty does (Ask not for whom the main menu animates, or something like that). I can't believe they wanted to reverse the decision to ban the rascist guy. He said some deplorable s***. I mean, he's not the only one (I can name two, mark my words) but god damn. That just really doesn't look good for them.

If I was Jason I'd go running too...


I think it's terribly unhealthy to pay any heed to that false dichotomy Matt sets up of "over there" vs. "over here". The truth is that most of the people here have accounts over there and probably are on good terms with the Ds. Matt has to hold, not a community together, but a clique. Cliques have to have strictly defined outsiders in order to stay lively. It's literally a case of the D's having to create enemies where none exist.

I'm very much aware of the dependence on role playing posty has and have been for years, I'm sure most are. Hell, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if you'd been giving the D's all my advice to you before the big blowout we had in '09, such as "Don't fight with Helen, don't start with Dime" etc. etc..
What you may not have understood Corbin, is that I treated everything as real not because I thought it was real, but because I was tired of all the junk. Remember when I accused you of being Daedalus? I honestly didn't care if you were, I just needed out of that toxic environment.

And could we please stay away from who's "better" at representing Blood.
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Postby Corbin » Mon May 26, 2014 05:17 pm

Yeah dude, sure. Just doing some reflecting is all. I'm over it.

It's hard to remember the things that had happened back then, my memory isn't so great nowadays.

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